ST. PETER THE VICAR OF CHRIST

Maria Divinagracia

 No, Christ if the foundation stone while christ is he cornerstone. a cornerstone is the stone that holds all stones of the building together. a foundation stone is one on which the church is built. so why is peter the foundation stone? not only because of his faith but because of the person of peter.his strength came from God whenever he fails. kaya "built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophet with christ as the cornerstone" in ephesians. 

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John Santiago 

 Maria Divinagracia Maging ang mga apostol ay NAKATAYO sa IISANG pundasyon na walang IBA kundi si Jesus. Dahil ang mga apostol ay KASAMA ring SANGKAP ng IGLESIA. na itinayo sa SALIGANG INILAGAY NG MGA APOSTOL at NG MGA PROPETA, na si Cristo Jesus ang batong panulok. SA KANYA ang buong gusali ay NAKALAPAT NA MABUTI at lumalaki tungo sa pagiging isang banal na templo sa Panginoon;na SA KANYA kayo rin ay MAGKASAMANG ITINATAYO upang maging tahanan ng Diyos sa Espiritu. (Efeso 2:20-22 Ang Bagong Ang Biblia) Kaibigan SINO yong KANYA na binabanggit na PINAGLAPATAN ng GUSALI, ang KANYA na MAGKAKASAMANG PINAGTATAYUAN ng mga sumasampalataya upang maging TAHANAN ng DIYOS sa ESPIRITU?

John Santiago  

Maria Divinagracia, Si pedro ay ISA ring SANGKAP ng Iglesia at HINDI maaaring maging PUNDASYON ang ISANG SANGKAP. Dahil ang PUNDASYON ay siya ring ULO ng IGLESIA na SIYA ring PUNO ng mga sanga(Iglesia) at walang IBA kundi ang panginoong Jesus.

Maria Divinagracia  

John you have not proof of your statement. "build on the FOUNDATION of the apostles and the prophets with jesus as the CORNERSTONE". what is so difficult about this verse?

John Santiago 

Maria Divinagracia said..."build on the FOUNDATION of the apostles and the prophets with jesus as the CORVERSTONE". what is so difficult about this verse? I don't find any difficulties with that verse my friend. Anyway WHO is the FOUNDATION of the APOSTLES?

Adonis Tungcab 

 ST. PETER, THE FOUNDATION AND VICAR OF CHRIST

Adonis Tungcab  

It is true that Christ that is the leading cornerstone of the foundation (Efe.2:20) Si Cristo lamang, ang espiritual rock na bato John Santiago ang sinusunod nila, at ang bato ay si Kristo ( 1 Kor. 10:4) it is a one Biblical expression which means na si kristo that Christ is really the spiritual head and leader. Ngunit, However it is walled by the Lord ibig sabihin John merong itinuro ang Panghinoon na merong makita there must be a visible leader in his Church and that leader that must be a vicar. At yung namang mga nabigay niyung verces na text 1 Kor. 3:11 at Mga Gawa 4:11 na halos gamintin sa kaaway ng katolika. hindi po yan na-contradict sa pangaral ng katoliko na si Cristo ay siya ang bato at foundation. Do not contradict the Catholic teaching that Christ is the cornernstone of the foundation. Ngunit inuolit namin, however, we cannot also go against Christ's will to appoint a visible head for HIs Church sir John Santiago, parang kang si Si Sir John Wolf na kadebate ko sa kabilang page

John Santiago 

 Adonis Tungcab said:...ST. PETER, THE FOUNDATION AND VICAR OF CHRIST
so are you telling na si Jesus na CORNER STONE ay NAKALAPAT sa KINIKILALA ninyong FOUNDATION STONE na si PEDRO?

John Santiago 

 Adonis Tungcab, ONE AND ONLY lang ang foundation AT IYAN AY SI Jesus. For God has already placed Jesus Christ as the ONE AND ONLY FOUNDATION, and no other foundation can be laid.
(I Corinthians 3:11Good News Bible)

Adonis Tungcab 

The bible also attest this to that among the apostles, St. Peter was commanded by Jesus to feed his sheep ( John 21:15-17) Oh ayan may mababasa tayu

John Santiago  

Adonis Tungcab... Ang John 21:11-17 ay tagpo na kung saan pinagsabihan ni Jesus na PAKANIN ang kaniyang mga tupa dahil si Pedro ay muling bumalik sa pangingisda sa HALIP na magpakain sa mga tupa. 

At ang PAGPAPAKAIN sa mga TUPA ay TUNGKULING IPINAGKAKALOOB sa mga MANGANGARAL ng ebanghelyo ni Cristo tulad ng mga apostol.

Adonis Tungcab

Mat 16:19

John Santiago  

Adonis Tungcab, iyan ba ang IPINAGMAMALAKI ninyong FOUNDATION ninyo? Ituloy mo hanggang talatang 24 kaibigan...Peter took Jesus aside and told him to stop talking like that. He said, "God would never let this happen to you, Lord! " Jesus turned to Peter and said, "SATAN, get away from me! You're in my way because you think like everyone else and not like God. " Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any of you want to be my followers, you must forget about yourself. You must take up your cross and follow me. (Mathew 16:22-24 CEV) PETER was a FOLLOWER of CHRIST and NOT HIS VICAR.

Maria Divinagracia  

Anyway WHO is the FOUNDATION of the APOSTLES?
John we are talking about the foundation of the church in mathew 16:18.

When paul built the church in corinth the foundation was jesus christ which is logical./

Ivy Noble  

Logical Logical mo hehe , Ang Church na dinala ni Paul sa lugar ng mga Hentil ay walang Iba ay ang Church of Christ .. na itinayo ni Christo .

Maria Divinagracia

 When jesus built his church the foundation was peter. hence
"built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with christ as the cornerstone". peter and the apostles and the prophets are foundation stones because christ is the cornerstone. the cornerstone is the stone that holds all stones together. here we have different images of the church and the relation of christ and the apostles to it.

John Santiago 
Maria Divinagracia,  TAMA si Jesus ang PUNDASYONG PINAGTAYUAN ni apostol Pablo sa mga HENTIL na kaniyang INARALAN.

Maria Divinagracia  

Church of Christ .. na itinayo ni Christo . lory no problem that is why christ was the foundation stone in the church was christ and not paul. Church of Christ is not in the bible. "church of christ" and "churches of christ" can be found in ther bible. the Church of Christ when used by the Catholic Church refers to itself and not the INKI (Iglesia ni Cristo Incorporated as registered with the SEC).

John Santiago  

Maria Divinagracia... ang LABO mo naman, sabi mo..."paul built the church in corinth the foundation was jesus christ which is logical."  Tapos ngayon sasabihin mo na namang si apostol Pedro ang pinagtayuan ni Jesus ng kanyang church. Mukhang GULONG GULO ka kaibigan ah... Bakit si PEDRO ba ay HINDI KASAMA o SANGKAP sa IGLESIA na ITINAYO ni Jesus kaya sinasabi mong siya ang PINAGTAYUAN ng Iglesia ni Cristo? ITATAYO ang isang BAHAGI sa kaniya ring sarili ganon ba kaibigan? tsk tsk tsk....

Maria Divinagracia 

 Bakit si PEDRO ba ay HINDI KASAMA o SANGKAP sa IGLESIA na ITINAYO ni Jesus kaya sinasabi mong siya ang PINAGTAYUAN ng Iglesia ni Cristo.John, what do you mean by "sangkap."

John Santiago 

 Maria Divinagracia... si PEDRO ba ay BAHAGI o SANGKAP ng Iglesia na ITINAYO ni CRISTO o HINDI?

John Santiago 

 Maria Divinagracia said:
john, what do you mean by "sangkap.

SANGKAP, BAHAGI o MEMBER ng Iglesia,si PEDRO ba ay SANGKAP, BAHAGI o MEMBER ng Iglesia na ITINAYO ni CRISTO o HINDI?

Maria Divinagracia  

ang LABO mo naman, sabi mo..."paul built the church in corinth the foundation was jesus christ which is logical." John in 1 Cor 3:11 who is ther builder? jesus or paul? Si PEDRO ba ay SANGKAP, BAHAGI o MEMBER ng Iglesia na ITINAYO ni CRISTO o HINDI? yes, john a member of the church that christ built as in mathew 16:18.

Maria Divinagracia  

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/3-11.htm

here john.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus bible.cc .New American Standard Bible (©1995)For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

John Santiago  

Maria Divinagracia... ang ITINAYO ni apostol Pablo ay CONGREGATION and NOT THE WHOLE CHURCH. The church in Corinth is just a PART o BAHAGI ng Iglesiang ITINAYO ni Cristo sa kaniyang SARILI " ON THIS ROCK(Petra)".

Maria Divinagracia 

 The problem with you john is that you are trying to mix mathew 16:18 where christ is the builder and 1 cor 3:11 where PAUL is the builder of the church in corinth.

John Santiago 

 Maria Divinagracia said: yes, john a member of the church that christ built as in mathew 16:18.
Thank you for your answer my friend... so ang IGLESIA ay ITINAYO ni Jesus sa ISANG MEMBER of his CHURCH? tsk tsk tsk..MALI kaibigan dahil ang mga MEMBER ang ITATAYO sa PUNDASYON HINDI ang MEMBER ang PAGTATAYUAN ng IGLESIA.

John Santiago  

Maria Divinagracia SA KANYA ang buong gusali ay NAKALAPAT NA MABUTI at lumalaki tungo sa pagiging isang banal na templo sa Panginoon;

na SA KANYA KAYO RIN ay "MAGKASAMANG ITINATAYO" upang maging tahanan ng Diyos sa Espiritu. (Efeso 2:21-22 Ang Bagong Ang Biblia) Kaya KAYO RIN dahil SILA(mga apostol) ay KASAMA RING NAKATAYO kay Jesus para maging TAHANAN ng DIYOS sa ESPIRITU.

Adonis Tungcab  

Nasaan ang pangulo diyan John kung ang member lang ang itatayo? Pagpangalan mo dahil diyan sa Heb 13:17 na ang iglesia na itinayo ni Cristo ay mayroong pangulo?

New International Version (©1984) Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.New Living Translation (©2007) Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit. English Standard Version (©2001) Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. New American Standard Bible (©1995) Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. International Standard Version (©2008) Continue to obey your leaders and to be submissive to them, for they watch over your souls as those who will have to give a word of explanation. By doing this, you will be letting them carry out their duties joyfully, and not with grief, for that would be harmful for you. Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Obey your Leaders and submit to them, for they watch for the sake of your souls, as persons who give an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with groans, because that is not advantageous to you. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Obey your leaders, and accept their authority. They take care of you because they are responsible for you. Obey them so that they may do this work joyfully and not complain about you. (Causing them to complain would not be to your advantage.) King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. American King James Version Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. American Standard Version Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them : for they watch in behalf of your souls, as they that shall give account; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief: for this were unprofitable for you. Douay-Rheims Bible Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you. Darby Bible Translation Obey your leaders, and be submissive; for they watch over your souls as those that shall give account; that they may do this with joy, and not groaning, for this would be unprofitable for you. English Revised Version Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them: for they watch in behalf of your souls, as they that shall give account; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief: for this were unprofitable for you. Webster's Bible Translation Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Weymouth New Testament Obey your leaders and be submissive to them. For they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give account; that they may do this with joy and not with lamentation. For that would be of no advantage to you. World English Bible Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you. Young's Literal Translation Be obedient to those leading you, and be subject, for these do watch for your souls, as about to give account, that with joy they may do this, and not sighing, for this is unprofitable to you. OH ito John merong Pangulo kahit anong version sa Bible meron man tayung mababasa. Ang tanong ko sayu ano ang iyung karapatan sa pagtotol na ang Iglesia na itinayo ni Cristo ay may pangulo yan ang sagutin mo. Heb. 13:17 at Chapter 13:7 New International Version (©1984) Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.New Living Translation (©2007) Remember your leaders who taught you the word of God. Think of all the good that has come from their lives, and follow the example of their faith. English Standard Version (©2001) Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. New American Standard Bible (©1995) Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. International Standard Version (©2008) Remember your leaders, those who have spoken God's word to you. Think about the impact of their lives, and imitate their faith. Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Be mindful toward your Leaders who have spoken with you the word of God. Consider the results of their conduct and imitate their faith: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Remember your leaders who have spoken God's word to you. Think about how their lives turned out, and imitate their faith. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Remember them who have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their manner of life. American King James Version Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken to you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. American Standard Version Remember them that had the rule over you, men that spake unto you the word of God; and considering the issue of their life, imitate their faith. Douay-Rheims Bible Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation, Darby Bible Translation Remember your leaders who have spoken to you the word of God; and considering the issue of their conversation, imitate their faith. English Revised Version Remember them that had the rule over you, which spake unto you the word of God; and considering the issue of their life, imitate their faith. Webster's Bible Translation Remember them who have the rule over you, who have spoken to you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their manner of life. Weymouth New Testament Remember your former leaders--it was they who brought you God's Message. Bear in mind how they ended their lives, and imitate their faith. World English Bible Remember your leaders, men who spoke to you the word of God, and considering the results of their conduct, imitate their faith. Young's Literal Translation Be mindful of those leading you, who did speak to you the word of God, whose faith -- considering the issue of the behaviour -- be imitating, Heb 13:7